Article: Comparing the 2016 Ford Shelby GT350 Voodoo V8 to the best naturally aspirated performance engines of the past decade with specs and dynographs

[leveraged sellout]

Well yeah, it has boost. You want to compare boosted motors look at the 5.8L Trinity, 662hp. Far more powerful, half the cost...

Then you turbo the Voodoo...

The car is half the cost because it's a POS. Many people have spoken about how the previous-gen GT500 was massively under-developed given its power output. Not stiff enough, suspension nowhere near being able to handle it effectively, brakes too small, garbage interior, loud, bad ride quality, etc. In terms of the engine, I would be willing to bet that the per-unit cost of the Trinity engine vs. the S63tu is very similar. Also...far more power? A comp package S63tu is making nearly that level of power, and almost as much torque. Probably weighs less as well.

[leveraged sellout]

...and only available in cars at 2x the price point.

Yes, because they're luxury cars...not sure what that has to do with anything...there's a reason an M5 costs 2x what a Mustang costs.

[Stevenh]

Not stiff enough, suspension nowhere near being able to handle it effectively, brakes too small, garbage interior, loud, bad ride quality, etc.

Congratulations. You just described a muscle car.

In terms of the engine, I would be willing to bet that the per-unit cost of the Trinity engine vs. the S63tu is very similar.

Oh really? Do me a favor and go to your local Ford and BMW dealerships and let me know what they quote you for the respective crate motors. I'd bet you the S63tu is triple the Trinity's cost.

[E90Company]

The car is half the cost because it's a POS. Many people have spoken about how the previous-gen GT500 was massively under-developed given its power output. Not stiff enough, suspension nowhere near being able to handle it effectively, brakes too small, garbage interior, loud, bad ride quality, etc. In terms of the engine, I would be willing to bet that the per-unit cost of the Trinity engine vs. the S63tu is very similar. Also...far more power? A comp package S63tu is making nearly that level of power, and almost as much torque. Probably weighs less as well.

Nobody was comparing cars. I agree with what you say about the GT500. But at least stay on topic... engines.

Trinity is a lot cheaper than the S63. I'm surprised you even bring that up. It's not even close.

So what you are saying is an even more expensive comp package S63 makes less power than the Trinity. Ok. Exactly my point.

[Sticky]

Welcome to M6G. LOL

I don't even understand it. Those guys are way nicer and enjoying my articles and analysis more than the people here.

Maybe I've become too accustomed to BMW owners.

[Sticky]

This is all true, however the future is filled with more turbos, not less. We have the great and wonderful government to thank for that. I don't blame the Germans for simply adapting to the culture, Europe is almost worse than we are with that stuff too.

Is it adapting as much as making an excuse to pad the bottom line?

Yes more turbos are coming. Does that mean every single motor including low volume performance units needs to be turbocharged?

[Sticky]

The car is half the cost because it's a POS. Many people have spoken about how the previous-gen GT500 was massively under-developed given its power output. Not stiff enough, suspension nowhere near being able to handle it effectively, brakes too small, garbage interior, loud, bad ride quality, etc. In terms of the engine, I would be willing to bet that the per-unit cost of the Trinity engine vs. the S63tu is very similar. Also...far more power? A comp package S63tu is making nearly that level of power, and almost as much torque. Probably weighs less as well.

The GT350 is a significant step up in all those areas you mentioned especially the GT350R.

[Sticky]

there's a reason an M5 costs 2x what a Mustang costs.

Because BMW loves money more than cars.

[whoosh]

I don't even understand it. Those guys are way nicer and enjoying my articles and analysis more than the people here.

Maybe I've become too accustomed to BMW owners.

I think you're catering to a specific and positively biased audience over there, while there are clearly some here who won't look at the Mustang with any respect.

[Sticky]

I think you're catering to a specific and positively biased audience over there, while there are clearly some here who won't look at the Mustang with any respect.

To a degree but the attitude towards my work seems to be different.

Wish this place was more inviting at times.

[Stevenh]

To a degree but the attitude towards my work seems to be different.

Wish this place was more inviting at times.

I love the site, but it seems to host mainly N54 enthusiasts who get hardons over arbitrary 1/2 mile traps and 1.8 second 60's. Give it time.

[Sticky]

I love the site, but it seems to host mainly N54 enthusiasts who get hardons over arbitrary 1/2 mile traps and 1.8 second 60's. Give it time.

When we start getting a bigger mix of enthusiasts it should get better.

[E90Company]

I love the site, but it seems to host mainly N54 enthusiasts who get hardons over arbitrary 1/2 mile traps and 1.8 second 60's. Give it time.

Lol. I try to open the eyes of the N54 fanbois with some success, but when you blow their minds with facts some vendors don't like that.


*Cough, Tony.

[E90Company]

When we start getting a bigger mix of enthusiasts it should get better.

You are and it's growing. I think this site is great.

[Sticky]

You are and it's growing. I think this site is great.

You're not wrong

[andy_divers]

What makes it the "best NA engine of the decade" ?

[Sticky]

What makes it the "best NA engine of the decade" ?

Not sure what you mean. I didn't write anything regarding it being the best NA engine of the decade. I compared it to some of the best NA engines of the past decade showing that it is definitely one of the best ever made.

[zod]

I still think it makes way more, just look at these 2 more examples :
Scud vs f10 m5 (this is gt goard which is known to be bmw biased)



Watch "Ferrari 430 Scuderia vs Ferrari F430 Spider (top down)" on YouTube -

[Sticky]

I still think it makes way more, just look at these 2 more examples :
Scud vs f10 m5 (this is gt goard which is known to be bmw biased)

It's not making way more power. It's just very efficient.

People forget that a high revving lightweight rwd layout can be fast without having a ton of power.

How much more power is the Scuderia supposed to be making over the F430? Like what do you think they did? Throw in a turbo when nobody was looking?

You can only squeeze out so much NA power. Ferrari did that. It's not some giant difference.

The car is lighter, RWD, high revving, and it shifts faster. I don't know why this needs to be repeated.

[fundahl]

Look at AV boys Foxbody.

They only dyno 485whp or so but beat 700+whp cars.

Lightweight, high rev with top end torque, good shifting = faster than you would expect for a given whp.

Just like a 1000whp supra can run a $#@!ty time... Slower than expected.

[fundahl]

Also, the ferraris may be getting some sort of positive airbox pressure on the go.... Hard to replicate on a dyno.

If i had one, I'd do some testing with my static pressure gauge.

[ksalih]

I would love to own a gt350 if the damn car didn't feel so huge. This engine in a 3 series sized vehicle (e92 m3) would be fantastic.

[Track89]

respect to ford for not going turbo and investing in a new NA lump