BMW F82 M4 GTS gets embarrassed by Shelby GT350R and Chevy Camaro SS 1LE around Laguna Seca

[BigM62]

I keep saying M stands for money. BMW has stopped catering to car enthusiasts, and now courts fat moneyed (unless leased) wannabees.

[Sticky]

Fact of the matter is, the weight doesn't even seem to be the biggest issue. Correct me if I am wrong as it's very possible, but doesn't the GT350R weigh more?

It does, yes. Weight is not the biggest factor here but if the BMW was 3300 pounds as it's supposed to be this might be quite different. Especially if they removed the weight in the right spots.

[Sticky]

I keep saying M stands for money. BMW has stopped catering to car enthusiasts, and now courts fat moneyed (unless leased) wannabees.

80% of the cars they move are leases. They produce disposable cars for people who want to look like they have money.

A 320i lease isn't impressing anyone anyway.

[boostedmaserati]

It does, yes. Weight is not the biggest factor here but if the BMW was 3300 pounds as it's supposed to be this might be quite different. Especially if they removed the weight in the right spots.

Oh I absolutely agree with you that weight saved would have a major impact on performance. It's just crazy, the GT350r is heavier, yet gaps the $#@! out of the GTS on a track.
Now, the GTS should absolutely be lighter. No reason for it to be as heavy as it is. It pisses me off that BMW, a company that used to produce some of the finest products, can't save weight if their lives were at stake.
They don't even offer a single vehicle I currently care about. And I've been a devout BMW enthusiast for an extremely long time. The E9X M was wonderful, after that, they started shooting blanks.

[ND75R]

Fact of the matter is, the weight doesn't even seem to be the biggest issue. Correct me if I am wrong as it's very possible, but doesn't the GT350R weigh more?

Depends if you actually believe BMW's claimed curb weight (usually 100-200 lbs less than actual weight)

[boostedmaserati]

Depends if you actually believe BMW's claimed curb weight (usually 100-200 lbs less than actual weight)

Pretty sure I saw a thread where it weighed more than advertised

[ND75R]

Pretty sure I saw a thread where it weighed more than advertised

I meant BMW's claims weight claims were lower than the real tested weight of the car, poor phrasing on my part.

[Dream]

I think the M4 gts is more built for the Nordschleife (Green Hell)

5.	McLaren MP4-12C	7.28 min	1.08,7 min	11/2011
6.	Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0	7.30 min	1.09,5 min	8/2011
7.	Audi R8 5.2 FSI Quattro Plus	7.32 min	1.09,4 min	10/2015
8.	Porsche 911 GT3	7.32 min	1.09,6 min	11/2013
9.	Porsche Carrera GT	7.32 min	1.08,6 min
10.	Pagani Zonda F	7.33 min	1.10,8 min	5/2006
11.	Porsche 911 GT3 RS	7.33 min	1.09,6 min	5/2010
12.	Ferrari F 12 Berlinetta	7.33 min	1.09,9 min	9/2014
13.	Koenigsegg CCX-R	7.34 min	1.09,8 min	3/2006
14.	Audi R8 GT	7.34 min	1.09,6 min	12/2010
15.	Lexus LFA	7.34 min	1.09,5 min	2/2012
16.	Porsche 911 Turbo S	7.34 min	1.08,7 min	2/2014
17.	Ruf Rt12	7.35 min	1.10,2 min	2/2008
18.	Mercedes SLS AMG Black Series	7.35 min	1.08,6 min	12/2013
19.	McLaren 650 S Spider	7.35 min	1.08,7 min	3/2015
20.	Nissan GT-R	7.36 min	1.10,0 min	5/2011

21.	Corvette ZR1	7.38 min	1.09,7 min	10/2009
22.	Ferrari 458 Italia	7.38 min	1.10,5 min	8/2010
23.	Lamborghini Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera	7.38 min	1.09,2 min	4/2011
24.	Lexus LFA	7.38 min	1.11,0 min	9/2010
25.	TechArt GTstreet	7.39 min	1.09,9 min	10/2007
26.	Mercedes SLS AMG	7.40 min	1.10,8 min	5/2010
27.	Porsche 911 GT3	7.40 min	1.10,4 min	6/2009
28.	Lamborghini Murciélago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce	7.42 min	1.09,5 min	1/2010
29.	Porsche Cayman GT4	7.42 min	1.10,1 min	5/2015
30.	Audi R8 5.2 FSI Quattro	7.44 min	1.10,9 min	9/2009
31.	Porsche 911 Carrera S	7.44 min	1.10,4 min	12/2011
32.	Porsche 911 Turbo S	7.44 min	1.10,9 min	3/2011
33.	Audi R8 V10 plus	7.45 min	1.10,6 min	5/2013
34.	Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera	7.46 min	1.10,9 min	9/2007
35.	Mercedes C 63 AMG Coupé	7.46 min	1.10,6 min	1/2012
36.	Wiesmann GT MF5	7.47 min	1.09,7 min	7/2010
37.	Porsche 911 GT3 RS	7.47 min	1.11,8 min
38.	Porsche 911 Turbo	7.47 min	1.12,1 min	3/2011
39.	Porsche 911 GT3 RS	7.48 min	1.11,1 min	3/2007
40.	BMW M3 GTS	7.48 min	1.12,5 min	9/2010

[Enfiftyfore]

The GPS wouldn't look so bad if it didn't have that huge homosexualized wing on the back. When it was first released, I thought some $#@! out in on there from the aftermarket. The wheels and carbon fiber stuff looks amazing. I met a guy Alston night with a regular M4 but with the GTS wheels and carbon fiber stuff and it looked awesome.

Edit: I don't know why that picture is sideways...

[ND75R]

I think the M4 gts is more built for the Nordschleife

Earlier in this thread we discussed how manipulated 'Ring times usually are, ie: look at the GT-R time on that list, only months after it came out it was found out that the car was run on with aero, tires and tuning not on customer cars. For the GTS to be failing this badly in every other independent test it's pretty obvious that the 'Ring lap was not set with a production spec vehicle.

[ND75R]

I met a guy Alston night with a regular M4 but with the GTS wheels and carbon fiber stuff and it looked awesome.

Yeah the competition pack looks awesome. But it's pretty damn expensive.

[UsualSuspect]

"M" for Money! I'm 45 & I remember buying my e36 M3 for $41K. I think the sticker base was like $37...pricing is ridiculous!

[Sticky]

Earlier in this thread we discussed how manipulated 'Ring times usually are, ie: look at the GT-R time on that list, only months after it came out it was found out that the car was run on with aero, tires and tuning not on customer cars. For the GTS to be failing this badly in every other independent test it's pretty obvious that the 'Ring lap was not set with a production spec vehicle.

Not sure why this isn't sinking in.

[subaru335i]

I LOVE that the majority of people here will freely accept that BMW has turned to $#@!. The one or 2 fanbois that keep making excuses is great entertainment though.

[boostedmaserati]

I LOVE that the majority of people here will freely accept that BMW has turned to $#@!. The one or 2 fanbois that keep making excuses is great entertainment though.

It's best to just accept it, making excuses isn't covering up for the fact that these vehicles aren't what they used to be

[BigM62]

It's best to just accept it, making excuses isn't covering up for the fact that these vehicles aren't what they used to be

That's why I keep modding my '95 540i. But it feels like a wife who has had many, many plastic surgery's and if you divorce her, you lose all your estate.

[boostedmaserati]

That's a great car, it's so worth it lol