GT28 GTI vs 135i

[chrisisnapping]

My GTI had a little bit of torque steer, it wasn't too bad, but I wouldn't let go of the wheel when accelerating! Volkswagens DO NOT have equal length axles, so that is one factor. The open differential sure doesn't help either. I need to see some more fast VW's!

http://vwboost.com/showthread.php?31...and-120-80-mph

at around 2:30 there is a z06, supposedly C/I/E and tune, the 1m is jb4, intake, downpipe.

[zhijjawi10]

What's up FastGti69 and Chrisisnapping!! Had to hop over here. Im trying to find a good bimmer to have a friendly run with around the DMV area. Any of you guys know anyone who would want to play with a 2010 GTI with a EFR turbo? My friends '08 335xi cobb stage 1 was no competition. I need a run for my money!! I have somewhere around 360-400whp/wtq

and goddamn patrick soares' GLI freakin' hauls.

Chris or Fastgti, if you guys want you can post the vid of me poo'ing on the heavy 335xi with lazy cobb tune.

[Sticky]

What's up FastGti69 and Chrisisnapping!! Had to hop over here. Im trying to find a good bimmer to have a friendly run with around the DMV area. Any of you guys know anyone who would want to play with a 2010 GTI with a EFR turbo? My friends '08 335xi cobb stage 1 was no competition. I need a run for my money!! I have somewhere around 360-400whp/wtq

and goddamn patrick soares' GLI freakin' hauls.

Chris or Fastgti, if you guys want you can post the vid of me poo'ing on the heavy 335xi with lazy cobb tune.

Welcome!

[zhijjawi10]

Welcome!

Thank you buddy!

[Sledgehammer]

Really? 160? Deep 9's.. Ed: just googled a vid, awwwwgh, 800+hp and 9.6 wow.. First turbo vr6 i've seen, before i only ever saw sc ones, most of which were half developed (but still powerful) .. I had no idea they existed at that power level!

arguably not an s4 with a vr6 in it though, just looks like one..
Ed: OH its a 12v vr6 not a 24v.. Well fair enough, way older then

plus, canmt foret that exhast/engine note.. Augh!.. Before i got the bmw, i nearly got a mk5 r32, but it was $4k out of my price .. Months later i realize the 3.2 quattro a3 at $10k cheaper is the same.damn.car.. But even nicer and less mileage.. r -_-

Back in the late 90's shops like EIP Tuning and HPA made 500whp with ease on VR6 motors. My 98 was well onto the mid 400's then. Turbos and VR motors go back to the early 90's when they came out.

[Sledgehammer]

100% not torque steer...there are cars that limit power to certain wheels (Caliber) and can cause that feeling...but it's not normally induced (mechanically). If the car is ripping the wheels out your hand you have other issues in your suspension (see blown LCA bushings, mounts etc...even alignment). UNEVEN PAVEMENT can cause this feeling too...it's not from the car but from the tire riding the crown of the roadIt's like the people that think they experience forms of compressor surge...half the time that's not what they are hearingThe WHOLE ADVENT of incorporating equal length half shafts in FWD cars is PRIMARILY TO ELIMINATE TORQUE STEER (do yourself a favor and look up that advance in FWD suspension)

That's just not true bro... Throwing power via the drive wheels creates tq steer in addition to the front wheels following every groove in the road. It's been far better managed for sure. But my last FWD car with power was a Caliber SRT4 and tq steer it does all day. Somewhat violently

[lvlemphiz]

The caliber is a car I mentioned (in what you quoted too) that uses electronic stability control by limiting power to certain wheels...it exacerbates the sensation..but it's not mechanically natural... I don't care to further argue it; I live it everyday (FWD car with lots of wtq...close to 500 ft lbs of it) and I learned it in school (did vehicle design as my extended elective in mechanical engineering)...even designed it in Adams software (SAE competitions in school; made it for real); I'm familiar

[Sorena]

I have driven cars like Mini Cooper S (Both turbocharged and supercharged) to the Focus 1.0L. They all change direction when you floor hit. I don't know what it is, torque steer, power steer, whatever but it does change direction.

[Sledgehammer]

The caliber is a car I mentioned (in what you quoted too) that uses electronic stability control by limiting power to certain wheels...it exacerbates the sensation..but it's not mechanically natural... I don't care to further argue it; I live it everyday (FWD car with lots of wtq...close to 500 ft lbs of it) and I learned it in school (did vehicle design as my extended elective in mechanical engineering)...even designed it in Adams software (SAE competitions in school; made it for real); I'm familiar

Discuss it or no... The fact is that's patently untrue, I started the game in VW's and have had them in FWD form making as much as 500whp. The more power you to the front wheels the more steering issues you create along with traction issues. Equal length half shafts help, LSD's help as do good tires. But he effect never goes away its not electronic. On a peectly flat and smooth road your car will steer left or right from a dead stop under full throttle. On a crowned road that's multiplied... Sure suspension issues or tires can can make it worse.

Nobody questioned our creditinals but practical real world application vs real world results differ. 20 yrs racing cars for me says otherwise. Tell ya what post a vid of you ca on normal tires no DR's from a dead stop at WOT and show the wheel not sawing left and right. That will certainly quantify your point.

[lvlemphiz]

I'll take one when I get the chance. I only fight my wheel on $#@!ty roads

[Payam@BMS]

In for the vid of smooth pavement.

[zhijjawi10]

What's up vanilla-faces?

Found a 2009 FBO 135i very close to me. Me and him are going to give you guys another "GTI vs 135i" video. Stay tuned.

[Q4P]

had a mazdaspeed3, holy moly that thing torque steered... would never do FWD again

[Payam@BMS]

What's up vanilla-faces?

Found a 2009 FBO 135i very close to me. Me and him are going to give you guys another "GTI vs 135i" video. Stay tuned.

It will be a good race. They are very fast man.

[DRedman45]

What's up vanilla-faces?

Found a 2009 FBO 135i very close to me. Me and him are going to give you guys another "GTI vs 135i" video. Stay tuned.

give me a couple months, i got you haha

[zhijjawi10]

give me a couple months, i got you haha

I'm tired of waiting, Dustin! Hurry up! When are you supposed to get one?

It will be a good race. They are very fast man.

I hope I don't get smoked lol. Pretty sure he will take me. Question is, by how much, lol!

[DRedman45]

I'm tired of waiting, Dustin! Hurry up! When are you supposed to get one?

I am working on getting the turbo off, but i can't get the clutch off until the 25th....after that it'll be whenever i have time to tow it back from new york haha

[chrisisnapping]

I'm tired of waiting, Dustin! Hurry up! When are you supposed to get one?



I hope I don't get smoked lol. Pretty sure he will take me. Question is, by how much, lol!

how much meth are you flowing? what kit?

may have to ramp that DPI up :p

[zhijjawi10]

how much meth are you flowing? what kit?

may have to ramp that DPI up :p

I took off the direct port. Wanted something more simple. I have a 125ml/min nozzle right now, in my throttle body pipe. Got a 675ml/min nozzle going in tomorrow (gonna turn down the pump duty cycle). More meth will help my car stop breaking up top end. The tune RAI left me with f u c k ing blows. Even 21psi breaks up randomly. Oh well. Still like 360-380 whp (my guess) so it's still fun lol.

[chrisisnapping]

I took off the direct port. Wanted something more simple. I have a 125ml/min nozzle right now, in my throttle body pipe. Got a 675ml/min nozzle going in tomorrow (gonna turn down the pump duty cycle). More meth will help my car stop breaking up top end. The tune RAI left me with f u c k ing blows. Even 21psi breaks up randomly. Oh well. Still like 360-380 whp (my guess) so it's still fun lol.

i wouldn't put that in your TB pipe, unless you want to replace your TB by the end of spring.

If anything leave the 125 (bump it to a ~200ml) in the TB pipe and get a TB spacer, but even with that 675 is way too much -- you won't get equal distribution in your runners, perhaps go with a 250-300 there.

Or just go with the HFS-4 or 6 and get a solid tune for that and see if you can push 450whp

but seriously, who is tuning eurodyne? don't hear of any GOOD reputable VW eurodyne tuners, at least not for our platform.

[Sticky]

Found a 2009 FBO 135i very close to me. Me and him are going to give you guys another "GTI vs 135i" video. Stay tuned.

Looking forward to it.

[zhijjawi10]

I've sprayed 575ml for a few months in the throttle body pipe, last year, and my throttle body is fine. If it goes, then I confirm that's not a good idea. Plus, my pump duty cyle will be at 50-80%, not 100%, so it's not gonna be spraying a full 675ml/min. more like 400-500ml/min. Gotta run some data logs and figure out the sweet spot. All I know is I need more meth to supplement for fuel due to my horrible tune.

Any reputable tuner can tune eurodyne. It's just like tuning K Pro or Hondata or Motronic, etc. . Its all the same, just a tuning suite on my laptop. I just haven't had free time that matches up with Franz Diebolds free time. He's the guy I want to use, he's pretty close to me. He's huge in the STI rally world/ australian based ECU's.

[zhijjawi10]

Looking forward to it.

Just found two FBO 335i's very local to me, in addition to the FBO 135i. So there will be a plethora of video's arising sometime in the next few weeks :-)

[Sticky]

Just found two FBO 335i's very local to me, in addition to the FBO 135i. So there will be a plethora of video's arising sometime in the next few weeks :-)

NICE

[zhijjawi10]

how much meth are you flowing? what kit?
may have to ramp that DPI up :p

Oh yeah, to answer the second part of your question... My eurodyne "boost manager plus" controls my meth pump and my bosch 044 pump. Gives you a sweet RPM x MAP 3d diagram to give you great control over the duty cycles.